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    Posted: 29 September 2010 at 22:41
I have noticed (admittedly with a little help from Google) that we have some rather auspicious artistamps producers amongst our membership and wondered whether ther would be any value in opening up a separate area for the discussion and presentation of these tiny works of art?
 
I am a big fan of artistamps and have dabbled a  little but not yet got involved, and so I am sure I am not alone in this.  Are there other potential International Union Of Mail Artists members out there?
 
Should such a new section come under the heading of Cinderella stamps or should it have its own section? 
 
If you are an artistamps designer I would be very pleased to hear your thoughts - either by pm or on this forum thread.  PLEASE let me know what you think...
 
 
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Hi Colin, et al...
 
While I have just a moment this moring, let me answer your basic question: Yes. You should add a
section here for artistamps, if for no other reason that to be concise in your coverage of all facets of
Cinderellas in general.
 
Have a great one!!
 
 
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Thanks Bill, I'll start a new section for Artistamps.
 
I know a few of us here have had pm's from some of the Artistamp designers registered here so I hope they will feel welcome to post and introduce their collections to the rest of us.  The work I have seen has been incredibly creative and contemporary and I have been introduced to a few new websites which I have found very inspiring.
 
I think Artistamps have definitely got a place here  Thumbs Up
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It's a pity that nobody has followed up on this subject. I recently acquired a collection of 100+ artistamps most of which had been cut out from envelopes which was a shame since many would have been great examples of mail art. However, it was still good to see such a great and diverse collection. They were mainly from America but there were also examples from Germany, The Netherlands, Canada, Italy and Japan.
 
From the forum I found examples from Toast, Jovan (featuring his family and, by the way, have you checked out his website from his Member Profile Homepage? Very impressive work) and The Olathe Post (Bill Porter).
 
Some of them are very clever and it is sometimes difficult to differentiate between the artistamps and genuine stamps at first glance. For example, Steve Smith's stamps are direct parodies of existing US stamps. Others include JBPost, avapost, ZenaZero (cleverly perforated), BoltPost (clearly an eye for the ladies), bmmpost, Doo da Post (including one for Republica De Miami), Capolan (Nick Bantock?), galoopiA (including a stamp booklet, Alison Hooper), Rakia, Menaposte, Ommpost, Cascadia Artpost, Canadada (an excellent Elvis stamp), Poca Post, Shrapmail and others that were not readily identifiable. There were some mint stamps from Pond Idia and an LBE from Toto Post.
 
I believe that most artiststamp creators only produce them for mail art exchanges so I'm lucky to have acquired these and I guess I can' t really illustrate them without permission.
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We have many members from the Artistamp community here so hopefully someone will give you their permission to reproduce their work here or will post up some of their own artwork.
 
 
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Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

I am a big fan of artistamps and have dabbled a  little but not yet got involved, and so I am sure I am not alone in this.
Not to date being a collector of cinderellas, artistamps, etc outside of the Discworld stamps and Colin's and Alan's various creations, I'm a little confused, an all too easily achieved state of mind I find these days.
 
Could someone more knowledgeable help me out please?
 
What is the specific definition of artistamp that makes this class of fictional philately different from cinderellas? Are artistamps and cinderellas two different classes within fictional philately? And, if so, are they mutually exclusive classes or do they overlap? Or is one indeed a subset of the other? Or something else?
 
Colin, you say you have "dabbled a little but not yet got involved". Why do the Isle of Vue and Laernu creations count as cinderellas (which I presume they do) but not as artistamps (which I understand you're saying they do not)? Also, what is the correct classification for Discworld stamps?
 
Looking forward to hearing everyone's (hopefully) enlightening thoughts!
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Damn good question Joolz.  I assume that the silence means nobody knows.
 
But, helpfully, Wikipedia is brave enough to give a definition a stab.  It decides they are cinderellas (and indeed uses the well-known Discworld stamps as an example).
 
Using the Wikipedia definition all the fantasy cinderellas we busily collect are artistamps but where is the dividing line with other types of cinderellas (exhibition stamps for example)?
 
So if a artistamp is a cinderella what's this thread trying to provoke discussion about?  Colin - you started it.  Why did you think this was a separate topic?
 
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Surely an artistamp is a cinderella, but a cinderella is not necessarily an artistamp?  So a separate thread for Artistamps under the overall cinderella umbrella seems appropriate, just as one for revenue stamps, local post or whatever would be appropriate.

In response to this thread I had a look at the International Union Of Mail Artists website, which I found bemusing.  I may have been unlucky, but every member whose work I looked at seemed to be doing all manner of artwork, but very rarely anything that looked even remotely like a postage stamp.
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From my point of view an Artistamp is a type of Cinderella, but is perhaps one that is not a local post stamp, revenue stamp, etc etc. It is primarily to be seen as a work of art, albeit under 2 square inches in size. Some Poster stamps or advertising labels could be artistamps if they feature art, but perhaps purists would only accept that if the art bit was paramount and the advertising component incidental.
But why do we try to subdivide into different buckets when there are so many grey areas?

The IUOMA site is a bit confusing, even to how the different sections are accessed. Quite unlike this and many other forums. But don't mix up Artistamps and Mail-Art. The latter uses the postal service as a medium for art. The do however have an ArtiStamp group with some very nice and creative designs.
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I have sat on the fence a little on this one as I wanted to give any artistamps designers out there the opportunity to give us their opinion first.
 
My own opinion is that artistamps come under the cinderella banner, but are conceived as art - for display rather than for the practical purpose of mailing, whether the implied mailing service is fictional or not.   I have played around with ideas for artistamps but have come to the conclusion I am too much of a designer to be an artist!
 
The IUOMA site is a wonderful place and is great for clearing the mind at the end of a long day, I would thoroughly recommend a visit.
 
The reason I subdivided the forum into different categories, inlcuding artistamps, was that we were having requests at the time to create a separate space for Revenues, Trading Stamps etc, and with a sudden influx of names I recognised from other forums as being artistamps designers I though it would be a good opportunity to also give Artistamps a space of their own.
 
The more the merrier I say! Like Steve, I think exploring the grey bits is often more interesting than trying to define black or white.  We've all got Wikipedia for that. 
 
 
 
 
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