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Topic: At last... the 2023 St Valentine's Issue
Posted By: Colin
Subject: At last... the 2023 St Valentine's Issue
Date Posted: 12 March 2023 at 00:05


Now on ebay...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?item=266169457693&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562&_ssn=laernu


Thank you again for your patience!


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Posted By: Djpdiddly
Date Posted: 12 March 2023 at 01:42
Just purchased. Looking forward to these and placing them in my album once again, many thanks. 😁



Posted By: Carole
Date Posted: 12 March 2023 at 06:20
Just about to buy they look soooo good.



Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 12 March 2023 at 22:09
Colin will be rushing to the post office with mine as I write.  They do look good.

Can I ask a ridiculous question?  Is there a catalogue of these issues anywhere?  I had this feeling that Steve was doing one but that might have been a dream from the old askmeaboutstamps days!  I ask 'cos going back to the 2018 issue I've never taken any issue out of the envelope/box it arrived in  I know, don't shout at me!  So now I'm in the position where I don't have a clue what I am looking at even if I do open up all the little envelopes.

Keith


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 13 March 2023 at 01:16
Originally posted by Keith Keith wrote:

Colin will be rushing to the post office with mine as I write.  They do look good.

Can I ask a ridiculous question?  Is there a catalogue of these issues anywhere?  I had this feeling that Steve was doing one but that might have been a dream from the old askmeaboutstamps days!  I ask 'cos going back to the 2018 issue I've never taken any issue out of the envelope/box it arrived in  I know, don't shout at me!  So now I'm in the position where I don't have a clue what I am looking at even if I do open up all the little envelopes.

Keith


The most complete and up-to-date listing of my stamps is still Steve Tandy's excellent site:

http://www.muba.eclipse.co.uk/Laernu_and_More/html/turtles___tortoises.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.muba.eclipse.co.uk/Laernu_and_More/html/turtles___tortoises.html

Steve has done a fantastic job over the years of capturing the flavour of each issue - Isle of Vue and all of the others - and I will always be grateful for that. Thank you Steve!

I suppose the catalogue is here on the forum - and in the excellent newsletters of the Cinderella Stamp Club magazine (also produced by Steve Tandy). 


Have a trawl through the pages here, and if I were you, find the previous years' Isle of Vue posts and print them off - just in case for whatever reason this resource disappears one day. 


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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 13 March 2023 at 05:42
Excellent! Just saw this and got my order in pronto and I see already 10 (now 11) of the (initial?) stock of 15 'Special Delivery' collections are already sold. Thumbs Up Clap So get your skates on everyone. Demand is understandably high.


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 13 March 2023 at 23:17
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Excellent! Just saw this and got my order in pronto and I see already 10 (now 11) of the (initial?) stock of 15 'Special Delivery' collections are already sold. Thumbs Up Clap So get your skates on everyone. Demand is understandably high.


In the post today Julian  Thumbs Up  Thank you!

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Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 13 March 2023 at 23:38
Thanks for the pointer to Steve’s listing Colin.  I’m relieved I didn’t imagine it!

And thanks for the stamps.  They all arrived safely just now.  I’ll wait for the folk with better eyesight than me to hunt down the variants!

Keith


Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 14 March 2023 at 01:01
Originally posted by Keith Keith wrote:

Thanks for the pointer to Steve’s listing Colin.  I’m relieved I didn’t imagine it!

And thanks for the stamps.  They all arrived safely just now.  I’ll wait for the folk with better eyesight than me to hunt down the variants!

Keith
So you've done a ceremonial unboxing of this issue, have you, Keith?


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 14 March 2023 at 09:50
I may have sent him a pack of blank paper just as a cunning test...  Wink

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Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 14 March 2023 at 10:55
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Originally posted by Keith Keith wrote:

Thanks for the pointer to Steve’s listing Colin.  I’m relieved I didn’t imagine it!

And thanks for the stamps.  They all arrived safely just now.  I’ll wait for the folk with better eyesight than me to hunt down the variants!

Keith
So you've done a ceremonial unboxing of this issue, have you, Keith?

Oh yes!  I always open them and fiddle with the contents for a few minutes then put them to one side meaning to come back to them.  But i’ve never opened any of the LBEs. They always look so pristine I don’t have the heart.  So I’ve no idea what’s in them.  One day I might pluck up courage 

Keith


Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 15 March 2023 at 00:53
Only 8 of the "Early Bird" Special Delivery Packs left (11sold)* So, if anyone is hesitating, grab one now !

I've spotted 5 variants (so far). 
I bought some "Bags of stamps" and found variant1 (in each bag), a pair of variant 2 and two TeteBeche pairs of common stamps)
The First Day Cover** has the common & variant1 and it is also on the stamp sheet 
Spoiler Spoiler
row3 col8
and The Valentine card *** has the common, variant1 & variant2.
but it looks like..

variant3 is only available in the "Early Bird" stamp bag, 
variant4 is only in the "Special delivery" (or any order over £40) stamp bag 
and variant5 only in the "Forum Member" stamp bag
(unless any forum member has found these in their bag of stamps ????)

So Grab those packs now ( they also contain a stamped postcard and a informative "Birds of Laernu" card
You have been warned !

P.S. The stamps are beautiful (did I need to tell you something you knew already ?) highly detailed and even the (little) brown envelopes are exquisite (yet another reason to buy the special delivery package as the early bird, forum member and special delivery (L)BEs each have their own distinctive image) 

*(Presumably the 20th pack is in shared ownership between Alan And Colin)
**(Also available separately - limited edition of 50)
***(Also available separately - limited edition of 35)


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 15 March 2023 at 03:18
The 20th Pack sold to someone locally here so I took it off the ebay stock.

There could be more Special Delivery packs if required, I ran out of big envelopes to pack them in but can make some more up if needed - but I have a fairly good idea how many will sell each year. 

These first issue packs of Isle of Vue stamps should become very collectable in years to come - there are so few of them  :-)


I'll leave you lovely people to work out the variants (Great start Andy, thank you!) - there is a real mixture this year, I tore up the test sheets and mixed them up in a box from which they have been pulled randomly for the bags...  Don't let me spoil the fun.  

I hope everyone here will trade their doubles, there should be enough to go round  :-)

Over to you all ...  :-)


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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 15 March 2023 at 05:17
I think I've found a sixth variant (in the LBEs)
FfP


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 15 March 2023 at 06:44
Wonderful stuff Colin

I must admit to being surprised that you've managed these so soon after the delayed previous issue, assuming that Isle of Vue may have transplanted Vantentine's Day to the autumn.

My orders in, and looking forward to seeing them in the fleah

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 15 March 2023 at 06:57
I have a complete catalogue of all Colin's stamps. It is, unsurprisingly, way to big to share by email.

However, I suggest you join the Cinderella Stamp Club, and very soon and gradually all will be revealed.

I know that there are options for file sharing like DropBox. Unfortunately my DropBox account has become screwed up after my daughter (inexpicably) loaded 1400 photos onto it for me. This broke the maximum limits of the free version and it seems the only way into it is to cough up the monthly charge for the premium edition.
I did share this catalogue there along with a Discworld stamp catalogue, with the strict instruction that neither were to be widely shared. I then found the DW cat being discussed by someone I had never heard of; someone who didn't even know it was me who had compiled it. One of the few who I had given obviously passed on access to others. Hence I am not obliged to resurrect that means of sharing such catalogues. Luckily there has been another avenue which has opened up - the CSC.

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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 16 March 2023 at 05:24
I think I've found ten variants - how are the rest of you doing ?


Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 17 March 2023 at 20:26
Its quite easy to spot some of the variants but several require a closer look

Spoiler Spoiler

Spoiler Spoiler
 
                            
       




Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 18 March 2023 at 04:09
Alan's artwork for the Isle of Vue stamps goes from strenght to strenghth, getting better each year. Such detail, and amazingly it all reduces down well to stamp size without loss of definition. You can still see that the leaves are oak leaves.



What Alan and Cloin turn up trumps with are stamps in the classic tradition; unlike Royal Mail these days. Looking at this year's releases from RM and you will see that, for the most part, a 10 year old with a grasp of a graphics package could have 'designed' them. Get a set of photo stills from whoever or whatever gets promoted, put the monarch's silhoette in one corner and a valu in another. Bingo! five minutes work.
Perhaps the stamps just wouldn't sell as well if they didn't use stock photographs. This may reflect on how casual collectors tastes have changed over the years. Do real collectors/philatelists still look for all the minute variations of the Machin definitives? I remember that each source such as sheets, coils, booklets and so on resulted in minute differences well beyond phosphor variations, gums and papers used.

It would be really nice if Royal Mail went back to it's postal roots and included some really good designs for at least a couple of issue per year.

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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 20 March 2023 at 05:01

Found this in one of my "Little Brown Stamp Bags" 
It looks like a Tete Beche Pair of Common stamps doesn't it ?
but take a closer look !! 

Spoiler Spoiler
(and this time its nothing to do with acorns)

Its definitely worth buying some LBEs (not just one)



Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 20 March 2023 at 21:58
Pic hasn't worked

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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 01:15
Originally posted by elmstead elmstead wrote:


Found this in one of my "Little Brown Stamp Bags" 
It looks like a Tete Beche Pair of Common stamps doesn't it ?
but take a closer look !! 

Spoiler Spoiler
(and this time its nothing to do with acorns)

Its definitely worth buying some LBEs (not just one)

Another one to check mine for.
Spoiler Spoiler


Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 01:17
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Pic hasn't worked
Do you mean on Andy's post (to which I have just replied)? It all looks ok to me.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 02:18
it has now

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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 05:28
I feel like I'm back at the optician's
Can you see the picture now ?



Colin says this isn't a variant just a variation.
What do you think ?
I've found seven of them so far
When is a variation a variant ?
Does it have to be a deliberate difference or just an actual difference ?
LOL


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 01:38
I have checked the artwork and YES - that stamp, with the rotated eye, is indeed a real variant and not a variation caused by the printing process, it sneaked in and I hadn't noticed...   apologies to Andy and anyone else currently searching through their bags.  




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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 02:44
No need for apologies - but I think that brings the number of variants I've found in this years issue to 12


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 01:50
Originally posted by elmstead elmstead wrote:

No need for apologies - but I think that brings the number of variants I've found in this years issue to 12


Please can you list the 12, under a spoiler tag of couurse

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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 03:39
As I said in my earlier post, once you've spotted the differences in the variants on the FDC and Valentine card, it's fairly easy to spot the ones that are only in the Early Bird, Special Delivery bonus and Forum Members LBEs.

However, it's the contents of the other LBE that are trickier. 
At first I thought I only had a pair of interesting stamps and the rest were boring "commons"

Take a closer look.
Some variants have more, some have less
some should have you in a spin


(If you want to find more variants, I really recommend you buy more LBEs)


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 03:53
Well, I had hoped to find out what the 12 were but never mind

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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 03:59
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Well, I had hoped to find out what the 12 were but never mind

I think it's a bit early yet for definitive lists, I know there are people waiting until payday to buy their stamps and others are waiting for their stamps to arrive overseas.


A question to ponder in the meantime... Is a stamp a variation or a variant if the image is inverted but the maker's name (FfP) remains in the same position - and therefore what happens when the stamp including the maker's name is inverted? Variant or variation?


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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 07:23
Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Well, I had hoped to find out what the 12 were but never mind

I think it's a bit early yet for definitive lists, I know there are people waiting until payday to buy their stamps and others are waiting for their stamps to arrive overseas.


A question to ponder in the meantime... Is a stamp a variation or a variant if the image is inverted but the maker's name (FfP) remains in the same position - and therefore what happens when the stamp including the maker's name is inverted? Variant or variation?
And what about when the inverted stamp is inverted? That's the really tricky one! WinkLOL


Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 04:12
Lets give people a bit more time to find the variants ..... before asking Colin for the answers
as I said I think I've found 12 but there's probably more !
Here's another tete beche pair  ????



Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 28 March 2023 at 09:20
Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Well, I had hoped to find out what the 12 were but never mind




A question to ponder in the meantime... Is a stamp a variation or a variant if the image is inverted but the maker's name (FfP) remains in the same position - and therefore what happens when the stamp including the maker's name is inverted? Variant or variation?


That is a question I have been asking myself too

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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 29 March 2023 at 06:00
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Well, I had hoped to find out what the 12 were but never mind
A question to ponder in the meantime... Is a stamp a variation or a variant if the image is inverted but the maker's name (FfP) remains in the same position - and therefore what happens when the stamp including the maker's name is inverted? Variant or variation?
That is a question I have been asking myself too
That's a Colin, or maybe a Niloc.


Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 29 March 2023 at 07:53
Originally posted by elmstead elmstead wrote:


Here's another tete beche pair  ????


To answer that question - It might help if you took a closer look at this pair and compare it to the first one 


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 30 March 2023 at 01:54
I think the only way to judge this is from the recipient's point of view, so all deviations in the artwork (stamp or sheet) from standard are considered to result in a variant. 

Whereas a deviation from standard in the printing for example, produces a variation.


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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 30 March 2023 at 06:42
Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

I think the only way to judge this is from the recipient's point of view, so all deviations in the artwork (stamp or sheet) from standard are considered to result in a variant. 

Whereas a deviation from standard in the printing for example, produces a variation.
The difficulty for the recipient lies in knowing whether the deviation was in the artwork (i.e. by design artifice) or in the printing (i.e. by production fault). Only the producer knows this for certain. If he/she can recollect which variants they designed in. The record of history suggests that this recollection is not always infallible!WinkLOL


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 10 April 2023 at 23:19
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

[QUOTE=Colin]The record of history suggests that this recollection is not always infallible!WinkLOL


It's true!  I am not a business so have to squeeze the design and artwork in when there's time and space and sometimes that can trip me up...

I can only hope that makes everything more collectable in the long run...

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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 10 April 2023 at 23:23
!!! IMPORTANT EARLY WARNING !!!

As in previous years the ebay listings will come down after 30 days...

THE LISTINGS FOR THIS YEAR'S VALENTINE'S ISSUE END ON FRIDAY 14TH APRIL

If anyone would like anything set aside for future purchase please let me know.

Thank you to everyone who has supported our efforts this year - and every year - it is very much appreciated!


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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 11 April 2023 at 07:10
Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

[QUOTE=Colin]The record of history suggests that this recollection is not always infallible!WinkLOL


It's true!  I am not a business so have to squeeze the design and artwork in when there's time and space and sometimes that can trip me up...

I can only hope that makes everything more collectable in the long run...
And I for one wouldn't want it any other way, Colin!


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 18 April 2023 at 11:49
Originally posted by elmstead elmstead wrote:

Originally posted by elmstead elmstead wrote:


Here's another tete beche pair  ????



To answer that question - It might help if you took a closer look at this pair and compare it to the first one 


I think I can list 14 variants now. Unfortunately this scan and that of the previous pair are just too low resolution for me, at least until I know what I am supposed to be looking at

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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 18 April 2023 at 22:36
As the listings have now ended on ebay I think it is safe for everyone to discuss this freely.  

Have fun  :-)


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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 20 April 2023 at 02:14

To Have and To Have Not
I guess you've all spotted these.....
(Greater Sported Woodpeckers)




Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 20 April 2023 at 02:16
but some variants are harder to spot
(Greater and Lesser Sported Woodpeckers)


Has anyone else found this variant in their LBEs ?



Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 00:03
Has anyone spotted more variants of the 2023 Isle of Vue Issue ?
clue 1 
Spoiler Spoiler
try looking at the leaves
clue2 
Spoiler Spoiler
can you spot more acorns (but ignore the birds)
clue3
Spoiler Spoiler
how can you tell if an image is upside down or if it's been rotated through 180 ?


Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 01:47
No one else spotted any variants ??

Spoiler Spoiler



Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 15 May 2023 at 23:04
I think it's OK to drop the 'Spoiler' warnings now, let's get the pictures out in the open, and if anyone has any questions about their variants I am always happy to answer them. 

I am amazed that with quite a few variants there has been so little response here.  LOL  Thank you Andy for driving this thread along despite the lack of interest.

It is very hard to judge what collectors here are interested in order to make future issues more interesting - any comments - positive or not - always appreciated!






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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 16 May 2023 at 03:36
Colin, Are you going to put  "CBE"s of Isle of Vue 2023 and 2022 in your Etsy shop soon ???
I'd love to get more of the Bash and Cracknells Collectors cards
and I'm sure I still haven't found ALL of this year's variants



Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 17 May 2023 at 03:34
Hi Andy, Yes! The plan is to get some of the unsold 'Trouven' items onto Etsy - the Bash & Cracknells cards, definitely, the Jacques Neuehaus cards, too and the various postcards too.  

Time is the problem, as ever.  Lots going on here and the paying work has to come first.

Perhaps someone here might start a 'swap' thread for the most recent variants?   Failing that then I suspect the remaining 2023 Isle of Vue stock will go on Etsy too.


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Posted By: Hiromi
Date Posted: 27 June 2023 at 20:58
Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

  Time is the problem, as ever. 

There is never any time until, suddenly, there is no time.

Don't please leave it too long!


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 12 July 2023 at 02:11
Originally posted by Hiromi Hiromi wrote:

[QUOTE=Colin]Don't please leave it too long!


Don't panic, I have been working on it today, the wait will be worth it  ;-)


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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 13 July 2023 at 01:33
You do realise that your comment (Colin) is very similar to those I've received in the past....
from students who were (often or fairly often) late handing in their homework ?
   LOL


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 13 July 2023 at 03:29
Originally posted by elmstead elmstead wrote:

You do realise that your comment (Colin) is very similar to those I've received in the past....
from students who were (often or fairly often) late handing in their homework ?
   LOL

My problem is I keep adding things... 


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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 13 July 2023 at 05:04
and that's one of the reasons why we collect your stamps



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