ALL HALLOWS POST OFFICE 2020 (FarFetchedPhilately)
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Topic: ALL HALLOWS POST OFFICE 2020 (FarFetchedPhilately)
Posted By: elmstead
Subject: ALL HALLOWS POST OFFICE 2020 (FarFetchedPhilately)
Date Posted: 14 September 2024 at 01:05
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One of my favourite stamps from the All Hallows Post Office is the Red Dead Letter Office stamp. It was available from the FarFetchedPhilately Etsy shop in June 2020 in sheets of 12 stamps. The central image has a varnish/glaze over it suggesting that you are lookng into a mirror and, instead of your own reflection, you see a skull looking back at you. and, if you have one of these sheets, you will know that it was fairly easy to spot the Variant...
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 14 September 2024 at 01:51
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You may also know that packets of a mixture of stamps were available from FarFetchedPhilately (in 2020,2023 and 2024) containing individual stamps from the All Hallows Post Office (including the Death of stamps, Grim reaper, Dead Letter, Halloween, Hand of Fate, and more recently "Batwoman" and Werewolf issues). In amongst these I have found a further six variants of the Red Dead Letter stamp
Clearly there must be another sheet of stamps containing these variants....... 
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 14 September 2024 at 02:13
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From these 2020, 2023 and 2024 CBEs I think I've managed to assemble 2/3 of the "unobtainable" Red Dead Letter stamp sheet Looking at the selvage I can place four of the six new variants
This second sheet must also contain Variant 1
My one example of Variant 2 and three examples of variant 5 have no selvage
I also have 2 examples of variant1 with no selvage
So can anyone help with filling in the rest of the sheet ? |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 15 September 2024 at 05:18
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Are they not a thing of beauty ? (please excuse my poor scanning skills- it doesn't show the sheen/gloss over the central image of each stamp)    These are the "Common" stamp and Variants 2 and 3
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 15 September 2024 at 13:06
and this is variant 4
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 16 September 2024 at 01:46
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I shan't post lots of images of the next stamp... Its again A Dead Letter stamp from the All Hallows Post Office from 2020. This time, the frame is a rather fetching yellow& brown. And (unlike the Red frame example) the sheet is still available from the FarFetchedPhilately Etsy shop. I was rather disappointed (back in 2020) that there appeared to be only one variant for this stamp. and again it should be easily spotted if you look at image of the sheet of stamps for sale on Etsy. BUT... in the New for 2024 ! Mixed bag of Halloween stamps I've found two more variants. and a "colour variation" (which might not be deliberate but I think it still counts as a "variant") Has anyone found these new variants ? Were they available before 2024 ? Am I talking to myself?
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 16 September 2024 at 01:50
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I won't say what the two new variants are to give others a chance to discover them for themselves. Maybe there's more than 2 ? They are not on the sheet - but are in the Mived Bags of Halloween stamps. But I will post a picture of the Variant that's been on the sheet since 2020.  |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 16 September 2024 at 07:34
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 16 September 2024 at 22:34
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The 2020 Death duty stamps are also available at the FarFetchedPhilately Etsy shop. (but, on 17 Sept 2024, only 7 sheets are left) The Variant is a little harder to spot this time but shows what appears to be an "overprint" (but I'm not confident about terms used by stamp collectors so don't all shout at me if I'm using the wrong word) It gives the appearance that someone has used a rubber stamp to print the word OVERDUE over the Death Duty stamp itself. And it's hard to make out as if the rubber-stamp hasn't been inked properly. Don't you love it ? Art imitating Life.  |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 16 September 2024 at 22:41
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Did I forget to mention there are four more variants of the Death duty stamp ? All are overprints but they are not on the sheet they are (you guessed it) in the mixed bags of Halloween stamps They are beautiful but.... (you've guessed it again) I won't share pictures of them yet, to give some of you the chance of discovering them for yourselves.
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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 17 September 2024 at 04:37
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Thanks for this Elmstead You are not talking to yourself, but its a lot to take in and digest. I am actually struggling to find a way of logging the variants so that I neither miss any or count one twice. I have 5 of the red frame DLO variants as single stamps, and I think they are as you have found. Need to go through sheet and singles again. As for the Green and olive DLO I have four variants listed. Yes there is slight colour change made in 2022; very slight, due a reprint. So I need to see which if any of the 4 variants belong to the reprint. Death Duty also got a 2022 reprint resulting in a slight colour change. With this I am wondering how far one goes in counting differences in the overprint variant. Were these overprints applied after printing. Then its a case of once again studying the sheets and stamps of all the others. On a totally different issue, have you noticed anything about the Hand of Fate stamps? You need selvedge to spot it. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 17 September 2024 at 07:56
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Thanks Steve, I was really impressed with your articles in the esteemed Cinderella philatelist .....you listed H20 Dead letter office Tan and olive green H20v1 Mirrored Skull Which is the variation on the sheet on sale at FarFetchedPhilately but I'm uncertain what you mean by H20v2 Brown skull variation is this a colour variation /could you share a picture? Of course the other two variants you list must appear on a second (unavailable) sheet (H20s2 ?) H20v3 Inverted skull variation And a tete beche pair (H20it) of an Inverted stamp and H20v1 So presumably the inverted stamp would be H20v4 ? However there is another variant (not a colour variation) that was in the latest Mixed Bag of Halloween stamps and there is possibly more...?? I wondered if anyone else had found any Also do any of these variants have selvage attached which would identify where they appear on this second sheet ? |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 17 September 2024 at 08:04
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For example this variant must be row1col1 on the second sheet 
and this one must be row3col2  |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 17 September 2024 at 10:16
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Glad you appreciated the article. Of course an update is now necessary, but that will be a while yet. Anyway here's brown skull variation se-tenant and Tete-beche with the mirror skull variation for comparison. Is this the same as the pairing you mention? I do have a single stamp of the brown skull (no selvedge) Also a mirror skull from a not for sale sheet showing position.  Brown skull is a bit misleading as its the background. All this tells us that there was a variants only sheet. Whether this only had DLO or whether it was larger than the sale sheets and included the non-sheet variants of the other stamps is an unknown. If the non sheet variant's selvedges match the for sale sheets then I would go for 1 (or two) mixed variants sheets. The majority of my non sheet variants lack a selvedge. I doubt I would have removed these myself, as I generally fold them under the stamp. But I might have in a moment of forgrtfulness. Anyway this is what I do have Death Duty overprints 2022 C1r2 C2r3 c3r3 Purple halloween c2 r1 DLO C1 r2 Return to sender C1 r2 C1r2 occurs three times suggesting 3 non sheet variant mixed sheets All the above have the same colour selvedge text and little logo (while other stamps may have a colour matching the stamp). Hence same template used for all mixed sheets perhaps? The more you look the murkier it seems. When will the waters clear? ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 17 September 2024 at 10:38
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is this the only upside down stamp you have ? what about the one where the frame is the right way up but the skull is upside down ? ? I didn't want to say until I'd seen other peoples examples ... but both of my stamps and yours are not only upside down but the shadow is on the left hand side of the skull so they are inverted images of variant1 not inverted images of the "common" stamp. Do inverted images of the common stamp exist I wonder?
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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 17 September 2024 at 11:00
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As I said... murkier Are we the only two on the forum who bought packets? Contributions from others would be most đź‘Ź ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 17 September 2024 at 11:24
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And that was my only mixed pair ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 22 September 2024 at 00:49
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The only example I have of the "brown skull" is this one.... as you can see its another variant to the ones listed in Steve's article it was in the latest mixed bags - perhaps these "brown" versions come from a prototype sheet ?  |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 22 September 2024 at 06:58
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and this is what I meant by "colour variation" rather than a planned "variant" The difference is easier to spot with the real stamps - but I hope you can see that the colours of the "frame" are much brighter and the skull is more distinct (in the one on the right !)  |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 23 September 2024 at 04:18
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The duller one is the original 2020 printing, while the brighter on is a 2022 reprint. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 23 September 2024 at 04:28
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Moving on to the monochrome Death of Stamps. These were not available as a sheet and only appeared in the packets. There sems to be four different stamps based upon the degree of illumination of the skull, which for the moment I am calling 100%, 75%, 50% and 25%. I have reversed skull variants of the 50 and 25, and have no reason to not suppose that the same applies to the 100 and 75.  I have examples of the 100% from bottom left corner and 25% from the top right. The marginal 25% ruins my first guess that these were printed in rows from 25% at the top to 100% at the bottom. Perhaps they were just randomly placed on the sheets. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 23 September 2024 at 04:44
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Have you noticed the missing teeth on the green and gold Dead Letter inverted skull? ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 23 September 2024 at 08:20
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I agree with you that the Green Death Of Stamps 25% image does have a reflected image The stamp you refer to is more like 33% light. The middle and the right hand side look the same in this and the 50% image. I think the difference is that the left hand side of the skull is more in shadow. so I think there is 6 different stamps 100%, 75%, 50%, "33%" and 25% (and the reflected 25% image) The top row and the bottom row of the sheet are probably the same (100%, 75%,50% and 25% going left to right) I'm not sure about the middle row. I think it ends with the "33%" and "reflected25%" stamps. and probably begins with simply the 100% and 75% stamps - unless anybody else has found more variants ??   |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 23 September 2024 at 11:57
I may have found the four you refer to. One could argue for more. However I would call them fake overprints. The OVERDUE is part of the design and was printed with the rest of the stamp. There is no rubber stamping involved. If you have two of the same variant the OVERDUE is postitioned exactly in the same place. A rubber stamp would have at least a tad of human error involved. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
elmstead wrote:Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 23 September 2024 at 12:13
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I think the death of stamps sheet looks something like this The six stamps with selvage give a clue as to the possible patterns in row1 and row3 (suggesting 100% to 25% across each row) The reflected 25% is at row2 col4 and I'm fairly sure the "33%" stamp is at row2col3  |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 23 September 2024 at 12:31
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I'm sorry if I gave the impression that Colin has been hand stamping OVERDUE on each of the Death Duty stamps. I don't know if you are familiar with his Assassins’ Guild Three Pence Contract Renewal stamp that he and Alan Batley produced for the Discworld Emporium? It's described as an Overprint in the Discworld Stamp Catalogue as it gives the impression that the stamp has "subject to Contract Renewal" stamped on the Assassins Guild 3p stamp in Bleach (or a bleaching agent). but it is of course a printed sheet that gives the illusion of an overstamp. The Death Duty sheet that was available from FarFetchedPhilately's Etsy Shop had an OVERDUE faintly overprinted on one of the stamps. It was in the same position, and faintly printed in an identical way on every sheet, so it was part of the design. I did say in my earlier post " it gives the appearance that someone has used a rubber stamp to print the word OVERDUE over the Death Duty stamp itself. And it's hard to make out as if the rubber-stamp hasn't been inked properly. Don't you love it ? Art imitating Life." The second sheet of 12 Death Duty stamps that is being used to make up the mixed bags consists (I believe) of three repeating rows each made upon four different "apparent" overprints (some in red ink some in black, some easier to read some less so). |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 24 September 2024 at 00:02
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I am well aware of the assassin's Guild stamp. DW has used overprints on a large number of occasions, all look as if the were pinted with the stamp but made to look as addition. Other full sheet examples include the Shades halfpenny surcharge and the Bugarup University. Both these have the 'overprint' variously rotated and under-inked in places. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 24 September 2024 at 02:48
I think your assessment of the sheet is most likely correct, and I can add to it for a completion. With the selvedge we have it seems likely that these were also printed in a 4x3 sheet. Unless of course there is someone who knows better ... nudge nudge Colin Note that these variations also appeared in the original larger format 2013 Death of Stamps. Here's 2 of them but the others may have appeared in 2013. I have no idea why the scanner is making these appear so green!!!  ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 24 September 2024 at 04:36
Returning to the Death Duty overprints, most of the variants were from the first printing of 2020. These were the duller coloured (by comparison) ones. Repeating the earlier image, this one has the crucual selvedge dates. For me, however, the easiest way to distinguish between the two printings is to look at the reverse. Two different papers were used and the 2020 first printing has a slightly cream colour compared with the whiter 2023 printing. I have tried a scan of these, but the difference just doesn't show up. Here are the 6 variants of the overprint  The top one is the 2020 sheet variant - faded red -45 degrees Then three non-sheet 2020 variants Faded blue +5 degrees Bold deep purple +5 Faded blue -5 And the 2023 sheet variant - bold red +5 ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 24 September 2024 at 05:24
A photo of the reverse of the earlier and later sheets next to each other shows the extent of the difference, if not the actual colours ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 24 September 2024 at 08:43
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just to doublecheck with the Death of Stamps sheet - you've added the stamp at row1col1 - but the other 11 stamps are still mine ? so we still don't know these positions for sure. Does anyone have the stamps at row2col1 or row3col2 and row3col2 ? |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 24 September 2024 at 09:31
Yes the other 11 are yours ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 24 September 2024 at 11:14
at first I thought you'd got the whole sheet and hadn't shared it before now ! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 24 September 2024 at 11:28
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Nowhere near a complete sheet here i used your images, added mine, shufflrd them into a sheet, and faked the missing selevedge by rotating the opposite one. Given an hour I could have come up with a near perfect representation of a complete sheet. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 25 September 2024 at 05:52
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Not sure whether this counts as an overprint (or is it just a Frank?) but I don't think this one is part of the printed stamp.
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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 25 September 2024 at 07:08
Pretty neat if it was an overprint, but it is one of the fanks used on these issues; which I forgot to add to the article and will be in an update ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 26 September 2024 at 08:47
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There are 5 stamps in the series with non- sheet variants; two colour Halloween, purple Halloween, Death Duty, and both Dead Letter Office. These must have been ptinted in unissued sheets. Some of my copies have selvedge allowing placement on a sheet. Individual variants can occupy 2 or 3 positions. Some sheet positions are occupational by 2 or 3 of the variants. The text colour on the selvedge matches that on the released sheets of that stamp. The stamps themselves have different background colours but I can see no evidence of a different background colour at the edge of any non sheet variant. Hence I propose that there were 5 sheets composed of no sheet variants, one for each of the 5 stamps. With the number of non sheet variants known for each stamp varying fromm 1 to 6, it is quite possible the actual numbers were more equal. There are others we haven't found yet. They may be very subtle. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 26 September 2024 at 09:34
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Furthermore I suspect that to part populate the mixed envelopes only the unissued sheets, with a mix of regular and variant stamps, were split up. Assuming randomness in filling the envelopes and that I have sufficient stamps to make assumptions I can suggest that these unissued sheets comprised: Halloween two colour - 6 regular stamps, 4 raised O, and 2 mirrored skull Halloween purple - 6 regular, 6 inverted skull Death Duty - 4 regular, 4 faded blue overprint and 2 each of other overprints Deal Letter Office red - 6 regular, and 1 each of the variants Dead Letter two colour- 6 regular, 2 mirror skull and 1 each of the other variants. This is probably not 100% correct, but could be quite close. I have no sheet variants of the Spanish, French or German Death of Stamps. These therefore had no equivalent unissued sheets, so examples in the envelopes were from issued sheets resulting in a 1 in 12 chance of a variant. What do you think? ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 26 September 2024 at 12:38
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As I said earlier The second sheet of 12 Death Duty stamps that is being used to make up the mixed bags consists (I believe) of three repeating rows each made upon four different "apparent" overprints (some in red ink some in black, some easier to read some less so). So there are Six variants of the Death Duty sheet. Neither the faint "Fake overprint" variant (at row3col4 of the 2020 sheet), Nor the new district "Fake overprint" (at row3col4 of the 2023 sheet) appear on the sheet of variants.
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 26 September 2024 at 22:02
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I'm not sure what you mean by Individual variants can occupy 2 or 3 positions. Some sheet positions are occupational by 2 or 3 of the variants. If you mean that a variant can appears twice or thrice on each sheet I don't know where you got these numbers. On the "second sheet" of each stamp I think a variant appears from one to seven times (possibly more) and if you mean that 2 or 3 variants appear in a particular place on a particular sheet I wonder what led you to this conclusion. I think there is only one version of each of the "second sheets" of each stamp. but maybe you meant something else ? |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 00:13
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What I mean is that I have three non sheet variants from r3c4, bottom left corner, of a sheet. Therefore these must be from different mixed variant sheets, and there must be at least 3 of these. With 5 of the issued stamps having non sheet variants to me it seems likely that there were 5 mixed sheets used to be split for the envelopes. So there is only one version of each of the 5 mixed sheets. However the number of different variants and regular stamps on each of these differs from stamp to stamp. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 00:14
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I agree on the makeup of the overprints mixed sheet ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 00:57
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Sorry, I still don't understand what you're saying Which stamp are you referring to ? (pictures m might help) Unless you mean the Death Duty Stamp....... As I said earlier The second sheet of 12 Death Duty stamps that is being used to make up the mixed bags consists (I believe) of three repeating rows each made upon four different "apparent" overprints (some in red ink some in black, some easier to read some less so). So there are Six variants of the Death Duty sheet. Neither the faint "Fake overprint" variant (at row3col4 of the 2020 sheet), Nor the new district "Fake overprint" (at row3col4 of the 2023 sheet) appear on the sheet of variants. So the mixed variant sheet for Death Duty has a variant at row3col4 and the variant on the 2020sheet and on the 2023sheet (that were on sale in the Etsy shop) each had a variant at row3col4. That makes 3 at row3col4.
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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 03:01
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I have 3 non sheet variants of different stamps but all from same sheet position ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 04:30
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Is this something to do with the Hands of Fate sheets in orange green and purple ? Each of the Hands of Fate sheets has a variant on it - but I think there is also a minisheet of 3 stamps (the orange variant, green variant and purple variant) which Colin sometimes adds stamps from (to the Mixed Bags of Halloween stamps) I have parts of the "sheets of variants" for the Red Dead Letter Stamp, the Brown dead Letter stamp, the the Red&Purple Halloween, the dark Purple Halloween and the Death Duty sheets. (and of course the Death of Stamps sheet) I was hoping to go through these one at a time to share images of stamps that have selvage and try and get a more complete idea of each sheet. and, if it helps, I can confirm that I have proof that there is one sheet of variants for each of the five stamps listed above, so I don't think there is a minisheet of variants of different stamps on the same sheet (unlike the Hands of Fate). AND none of the variants that I have for Mort de Timbres, Muerte de Sellos and Tod Der Stempel have selvage so I can't say definitively that there aren't more variants, nor whether they come from a different sheet of variants or sheet of mixed variants. But I think it most likely there is just a sheet for each of these three with one variant on each sheet.
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 04:37
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I think we have got as far as we can with The Death of Stamps sheet (if possible could you share an image of the row1col1stamp on its own?) I'll post something about the Death Duty sheet soon but my scanner is playing up and is driving me up the wall. but Before we go on to the other sheets do you have any images of variants with selvage for the Red Dead Letter Sheet (where I have a few gaps) or the Brown Dead Letter Sheet (where I have several) that would help me please? |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 07:55
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I think the Death Duty variants sheet looks like this I'm sure about Row2 col3 as I have a joined pair (Row1col3 and Row2col3)
The only one I'm unsure about id Row2col2 but it seems the most likely candidate (all the stamps are from 2020)  and for comparison the variants on the sheet1 from 2020 and sheet2 from 2023 (Neither of these variants appear on this mixed variant sheet2 ) variant1 (on the sheet from 2020) and variant6 on the third sheet in this series (issued in 2023  It looks as if the "fake overprint" is in a mixture of red and back (is it trying to emulate something that was first stamped overdue I'm black and then stamped in red on top of the first overprint ?) |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 27 September 2024 at 08:41
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Unfortunately hardware problems currently prevent me posting any images at present. My connectivity is restricted to my phone. Then to add to that I shall be in Prague for a week from Monday.i may have all working at the weekend but cannot promise anything. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 30 September 2024 at 00:55
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This is a summary of what I have of the the (brown) Dead Letter Stamp there were two printings of this stamp in 2020 (on the left) and 2023 (on the right)  The variant on the 2020 sheet of 12 stamps (3 rows of 4 stamps) appeared at row3col3 (a Reflected Skull) BUT Look closer the skull now has two missing teeth. (The other 11 stamps on this sheet all look like the stamp on the left hand side off this pair with no missing teeth)  Single stamps (and pairs) of the Dead letter stamp are to be found in the mixed bags of Halloween stamps on sale between 2020 and 2024. I have two examples of this next stamp. (and Steve has at least one example of this) As you can see its a reflected skull with two missing teeth BUT This stamp is from the end of row2 (row2col4). The stamp in this position on the sheet on sale in the FarFetchedPhilately shop is NOT a reflected skull. So there has to be A Second sheet (printed in 2020)that contains this stamp (The 2023 reprint was the THIRD sheet in this series)  Several other variants of this stamp are in these mixed Bags. If they have selvage attached we can identify where they appear on this second 2020 sheet. I have this example where the Skull has been Inverted and has Three missing Teeth. It must occupy row1column1 of the second sheet  and this one where the whole stamp has been inverted but the skull has TWO missing teeth This must appear at row3col2 on the second sheet  Steve shared an image of another variant - the Brown Skull (with NO missing teeth) and although there is no selvage to clearly identify where this appears it must appear on the right hand side of an Inverted Stamp variant (with Two missing teeth)  and I have another variant which shows a Brown Skull with no missing teeth where the whole stamp has been reflected There is no selvage so no clue as where it appears on the second sheet)  You might guess (as there is no selvage) that it would appear at row2col2 or row2col3 but you might well be wrong ! Most of the stamps in the mixed bags have no selvage. So more often than not, the selvage has been removed from the stamp before being sold (Which makes this task much more difficult than if they all had their selvage attached) AS you can see from the images all of them are from the 2020 printing but the 2023 reprint is interesting not just because there is a colour variation but that there is a new variant. There is not a reflected skull at row3col3. Instead there is a skull missing ONE tooth at row2col3  This variant is probably NOT on the 2020 second sheet of variants as I don't think I appeared in any of the mixed bags. So Far, we know that there are 12 stamps on the Second sheet from 2020. These could be "common" stamps but are more likely to be variants. We know there are at least five different variants on this sheet but only know the position of three out of the twelve stamps. But the 2023 reprint does suggest that as well as looking for stamps that have been inverted or reflected or had colour changes we should also be looking at how many teeth are missing. So does anyone have any more information to add - a new variant or an already identified variant with selvage attached or a joined pair of stamps that might give a clue as to the arrangement on this sheet. Of course there is someone who knows what this second sheet looks like for certain........
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Posted By: LesT
Date Posted: 01 October 2024 at 04:14
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This is an incredible study ... Thank You -------------  It's more than just paper
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 02 October 2024 at 02:57
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I've heard that not everybody can see the images I'm posting. Is it the website I'm using (postimage) ? I've tried imgur but just get a blank screen (I'm using a MacBook) Is it any better if I use imgbb to host the image ? or am I doing something else wrong ? 
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Posted By: LesT
Date Posted: 02 October 2024 at 03:19
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Your image is fine on my system. If the image is missing on your computer then just click on the image icon and ask it to open in a new tab and ... as if by magic, you can see the posted image. Some gremlin in the works no doubt.  Les ------------- It's more than just paper
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 02 October 2024 at 05:52
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I thought I'd try and summarise where we are with the Death of Stamps sheet (only single or groups of stamps are available in the mixed bags of Halloween stamps) I have these stamps but can only be sure of the position of these stamps from their selvage. Those without selvage are hopefully in the right place but it would be great if anyone can add/confirm any of this. Steve has this stamp which is the missing top left corner (row1col1)  and (having purchased some more mixed bags) I now have this piece of the puzzle confirming that this stamp at row2col1 is the same image as row1col1 and row3col1. So we are a step closer to solving his puzzle,  |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 03 October 2024 at 05:12
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The Mixed Bags of Halloween stamps sometimes contains Franked Stamps (like the Death of stamps that I received in 2024)  In 2020 Franks in Red and Green ink were used on the Hand Of Fate Stamps (first issued in 2019)    and one of the joys of receiving post from the FarFetchedPhilately shop is that the envelopes often have not only the boring Royal Mail labels but also stamps from the All Hallows Post Office. These of course have been franked   |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 03 October 2024 at 05:18
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You can see the earlier Franks more clearly on the First Day Covers issued with the original (Larger) Halloween and Dead Letter Stamps   The Frank used on the Death Of Stamps stamp in 2024 can be seen more clearly on the card insert that came with the Halloween FDC  (But this is only an image of the Frank)
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 03 October 2024 at 05:22
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and perhaps I should share an image of the Back of one of the CBEs from 2020 and the Front of the CBEs issued in 2019 (Colin's Brown Envelopes)more recently referred to as "Mixed Bags Of Halloween Stamps"  |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 04 October 2024 at 04:40
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Coming back to the Red Dead Letter stamp. At the start of this thread I said the sheet (on sale in the FarFEtchedPhilately Etsy shop) was made up of 11 common stamps with the Skull on the Left side off the mirror and one variant (where the skull has been reflected)   but other variants were available in the mixed bags of Halloween stamps. These must be part of a second sheet (but this sheet is unavailable from the FarFetchedPhilately) It must look something like this  The positions of the three stamps in row1, the three stamps in row4 and oof course row2col4 must be correct as they have selvage (or are connected to another stamp) This accounts for 5 out of 7variants The reflected skull at row1col3 and row3col3. The Three distinct skulls at row3col4 The Three faint skulls at row1col1 and row1col4 The Two skulls (whole stamp inverted) at row2col4 The Three skulls (whole stamp inverted) at row3col1 But the other two variants could occupy any of the other five positions remaining The Two skulls and the one skull stamp (that has not only been INVERTED but also REFLECTED) Temporarily I’ve placed them at row2col2and row2col3 but these are probably not correct That leaves three places that could be occupied by any of these 7 variants or is there yet another still to be found ? Does anyone have stamps with selvage for row1col2, row2col1, or row3col2 ? or pairs of stamps that show how the sheet is made up or another variant ??
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 05 October 2024 at 11:47
As I'd posted some images of FRANKED Hands of Fate stamps earlier I thought I ought to share them in mint condition (although they are from 2019)   You can play spot the variant if you like. (But I'm not sure if the images are not large enough/too big??) |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 07 October 2024 at 03:19
Someones been practising their perforating skills.....  I think the first stamp comes from the minisheet of mixed variables of the Hand of Fate whereas the second stamp comes from the sheet of 15 Green Hands of Fate stamps that was available from FarFetchedPhilately Not sure why one of the cartouches is BP ??
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Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 08 October 2024 at 02:06
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Don't know if Steve's had any luck fixing his hardware (hope you had fun in Prague) but I'm hoping he'll share an image of his row1col1 Death of Stamps sheet and I'm hoping that he (or anyone else who bought the stamps !) can share images/information to help us get a more complete picture of the Death of Stamps sheet or the sheets of the two Dead Letter stamps (Red) or (Brown). it would be cool if we could end up with images of these sheets as complete as the one we have for the Death Duty stamp (on page5 of this thread)  |
Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 09 October 2024 at 05:05
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I've just added a new selection of Mixed Halloween stamp bags if anyone has gaps to fill... http://%3cimg%20src=" rel="nofollow">">  Have a look at the Etsy page for more pictures of randomly opened bags for an idea of sample content. Hopefully something for everyone
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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 09 October 2024 at 06:31
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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 21 October 2024 at 00:48
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Back into the fold now after busy times and waiting for some of the new mixed packets. I need to get out all my stamps at some point soon to confirm some of the above posts. But on the face of it I think these extra sheets are nailed. Elmstead. I am getting a 503 error on the images posted 7th and 8th Oct on both PC and Android phone. Note that these are the only two instances for me, but this is after you mentioned others had a problem viewing images. Hand of Fate issue. These seems to have been a reprint in 2024 with revised marginal text on the sheets. So far I can detect no stamp differences. There is something else to look out for in the most recent packets regarding the purple Halloween skulls. I will let you find it before posting an image, but are any other skulls treated the same? ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: elmstead
Date Posted: 21 October 2024 at 06:01
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If I knew what a 503 error was I would try and help you Steve. Sorry. The images are there. I haven't changed anything. Perhaps someone on the forum can help you.
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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 21 October 2024 at 07:41
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Those images are now visible to me now, but I think the 603 error saud server busy. So perhaps an intermittent problem. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |
Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 24 October 2024 at 05:33
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Has anybody else found somethings new in the latest tranche of mixed packets? I don't want to post up spoilers, but I am keen to find the extent of these different styles of variation. Happy to correspond by personal message. As a hint.... The Yardbirds had a 1967 hit single 'Over Under Sideways Down'. Two of these words apply. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Discworld-Stamp-Collector/809424215750892" rel="nofollow - The Discworld Stamp Collector on FaceBook Have a look! |